Transit Committee Comité du transport en commun Minutes 31 / Procès-verbal 31 Wednesday, 6 May 2009, 1:30 p.m. le mercredi 6 mai 2009, 13 h 30 Champlain Room,
110 Laurier Avenue West Salle
Champlain, 110, avenue Laurier ouest |
Present / Présents : A. Cullen (Chair / Président), M. Wilkinson (Vice-Chair /
Vice-présidente ), G. Bédard, R. Bloess, C. Doucet, C. Leadman,
J. Legendre, D. Thompson
Absent / absents : Councillor
M. McRae (Regrets / excuses)
DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST
DÉCLARATIONS D’INTÉRÊT
No declarations of interest were filed.
CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES
Ratification dES PROCÈS-VERBAUX
Minutes 29 and 30 of the Transit Committee on
Wednesday, 18 February 2009 and 4 March 2009 were confirmed.
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INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES
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TRANSIT
SERVICES
SERVICE DE
TRANSPORTS EN COMMUN
1. new articulated bus garage – efficiency modifications and
cost-saving opportunities
Nouveau gage pour autobus articulés – Modifications relatives à
l’efficacité et possibilités d’économies
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Alain Mercier,
General Manager, Transit Services gave a detailed presentation of the item, a
copy of which is held on file. Also in
attendance were: Stephane Carbonneau,
Program Manager, Transit Capital Projects; Wayne Newell, Director,
Infrastructure Services; and, Paul Lessard, Infrastructure Services.
Chair Cullen
noted that Councillor Hume (ward councillor) had met with staff and Councillor
Wilkinson put forward the following Motion on his behalf:
WHEREAS the site
plan for the articulated bus garage at 735 Industrial Ave. was approved in
consultation with the public;
AND WHEREAS the
public has not had the opportunity to have a public meeting to discuss the
impact of the on-site operations due to the increased number of buses;
THEREFORE
BE IT RESOLVED that staff be directed to hold a public consultation session in collaboration with
the ward Councillor and report back to Transit Committee in the form of an IPD,
which will outline the measures being undertaken to address the publics’
concerns.
The following
public delegations were received:
Charles
Akben-Marchand, past President, Citizens for Safe Cycling spoke briefly
about how the new bus garage impacts on the rack-n-roll service. They want to see the program expanded in the
season as well as to more routes and he was seeking assurance that the new
garage will be able to accommodate articulated buses with bicycle racks.
Mr. Mercier
confirmed that the new garage would be built to accommodate the buses with
bicycle racks.
David Gladstone emphasized that
investment for maintaining the City’s bus fleet is consistent with the
objective of having more people travel on light rail in the future. He maintained it is overdue for the City to
expand the O-train on existing rail lines, rather then investing on increasing
the articulated bus fleet.
David Jeanes demonstrated in
an overhead slide of the Pinecrest garage, that the building and the
surrounding land were originally the proposed route for the West Transit way to
reach Lincoln Fields. He noted that the
alternative (and longer) route via Roman Avenue was selected because of
concerns of tunnelling under Connaught Avenue.
He pointed out that if this garage is decommissioned, it may in fact
make the routing of rapid transit through that particular tight corner much
easier and better to do on the original EA route, thereby eliminating having to
expropriate homes along Roman Avenue and providing a shorter and less curved
route for buses and light rail (should the latter be extended farther west).
Also, before
decommissioning and selling off this facility, Mr. Jeanes pointed out that it
is ideally located as a minor maintenance and storage facility for light rail
for the west end. If it is
decommissioned, there will be no bus storage facility anywhere in the western
portion of the Transitway, resulting in having to duplicate the facility between
Lincoln Fields and Baseline, which he was not convinced was not required. He did not think Council could simply
dismiss the future use of that property, when there could potentially be a much
earlier extension of LRT to Bayshore.
With specific
reference to the report before Committee, Mr. Jeanes was not comfortable with
the recommendation to build a new facility that is somewhat temporary in
nature, if the City does build light rail.
When asked to respond to the delegation’s comments, specifically with regards to the West Transitway route, Nancy Schepers, Deputy City Manager agreed it was a good point that merits examination.
Commenting on the delegation’s suggestions re the
decommissioning the garage, Mr. Mercier indicated that staff had
identified the potential for this garage and due to it’s limited nature, it was
deemed not desirable as an expansion facility when looking at the lifecycle of
the building and the options available.
He concurred that the notion of having a garage facility in the west end
is one of due consideration that staff would obviously examine, but he
explained that such decisions would not be made for another eight to ten
years. This report advises Council that
if it were to put some money into the core operation, the facilities should be
sized to avoid any future construction.
Further, this facility is almost entirely surrounded on two sides by
residential development, which makes it very difficult to consider expansion in
this area. He agreed these were valid
points made and staff would examine them over the next few years and bring
forward any alternatives.
With regards to the general argument of increasing capacity in the short term, Councillor Legendre asked staff to explain why this report appears to focus on the long-term for the garage capacity. Mr. Mercier explained that several years ago, the need for a new garage was identified once the City had over 900 buses. There are currently 1027 buses in the system so therefore the City has already surpassed capacity to store buses. Further, the TMP indicates approximately 1250 buses required going into the period of 2021. The question is building a special purpose facility for the maximum fleet size above the current level today, even with rail.
The Chair referenced the current Environmental Assessment (EA) for the original route for the Southwest Transitway crossing the Pinecrest corridor, passing under Connaught Avenue and underneath the parking garage to arrive at the north side of the Queensway and suggested that if there is no need for the garage, the EA would examine the alternative of an at-surface route from the Southwest Transitway to the north side of the Queensway. Mr. Mercier confirmed that it would be the right approach to consider those alternatives that the long-term need for the garage would be in question and therefore it opens up those avenues to assess the corridors today. He confirmed there would be enough time to adjust the need for the garage in time with other needs for the corridor. He confirmed that the report before Committee does not make a recommendation to close the Pinecrest garage and that a report about the future of that facility would not be brought back for about two years.
The Chair presumed that the EA would have to factor in the timing of all these things because if the City should decide to decommission the garage, there is an at-surface route that may be considered instead. Ms. Schepers confirmed this understanding.
David James echoed the comments made by the other delegation with regards to the Pinecrest garage and further suggested that if that facility is decommissioned, the property could be used for a station, and there may be an opportunity for a transit-oriented development on this site as well.
In considering the report, and following a series of questions posed to staff on the need for bus garages, Councillor Leadman asked whether there would be a cost associated with decommissioning the property where the Pinecrest garage is located. Mr. Mercier explained that there would be, but until an alternative use of the land has been identified, he was not in a position to provide the cost details.
Councillor Wilkinson suggested that moving to light rail would reduce the number of buses required to service the system and remove a lot of the pressure on the main routes. Therefore, she wondered why there would be a requirement for more garages. The General Manager responded by stating that what is being recommended will serve the modest growth to support the rail base infrastructure. As the City moves into the second phase of the rail project with more expansion of the rail system, it will be looking at how many buses will be avoided; what the long-term bus fleet size will be; and, will that require another garage? He offered that the current thinking is to concentrate on and optimize the three major industrial sites, which should bring the City to approximately 1300 buses of capacity. He added that if growth is beyond that, another garage facility should be considered.
Councillor Wilkinson noted that on top of that, there is a need for a garage and maintenance yards for light rail and she wondered that if there were streetcars, would they go to the same maintenance yard or require one of their own. Mr. Mercier indicated that should there be more displacement of the bus network that would cause a downsizing and is the reason why staff wants to be conservative and only invest in the three core sites. By increasing this garage now, it postpones, at least until light rail is in place, what the next steps are going to be.
Councillor Desroches considered the fact that double-decker buses have been added to the fleet and wondered what the future fleet is going to look like and whether or not this report is based on the assumption that the City is moving forward with articulated buses when in fact there could be a possibility (or a risk) to rely more on double-decker buses. The General Manager explained that each bus design serves different parts of the market, i.e., articulated buses will operate in high density routes, whereas the double-deckers best serve the commuter and suburban market. He believed the sizing was correct for the future and if double-deckers are a chosen technology, they will be accommodated in the Merivale facility, which will be converted for that type of bus.
Staff confirmed the Motion would not have an impact on the staff report. Mr. Mercier further stated that staff would continue as planned to not affect the infrastructure project; there would be a public consultation for the phase of adding a second exit and the traffic impact on the site. Councillor Legendre noted that the Motion refers to the site plan for this bus garage and since this is not the Committee that approves site plans, he presumed it is still under the delegated authority of staff. He maintained this would allow for the consultation to occur prior to the approval of the site plan and Ms. Schepers confirmed this understanding.
Moved by M.
Wilkinson
WHEREAS the site
plan for the articulated bus garage at 735 Industrial Ave. was approved in
consultation with the public;
AND WHEREAS the
public has not had the opportunity to have a public meeting to discuss the
impact of the on-site operations due to the increased number of buses;
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that
staff be directed to hold a public consultation session in collaboration with
the ward Councillor and report back to Transit Committee in the form of an IPD,
which will outline the measures being undertaken to address the publics’ concerns.
CARRIED
That Transit Committee
recommend Council:
1. Approve
increasing the scope of the construction of the new Articulated Bus Garage at
735 Industrial Ave. to increase the productive capacity of the facility from
147 to 210 articulated buses;
2. Approve
the additional funding to a limit of $15M for Account Number 903780 New Transit
Garage for a revised project authority of $80.363M;
3. Direct staff to undertake an industrial engineering study of existing transit facilities to develop a long-term maintenance and operational plan and present Transit Committee with options to rationalize facilities as part of the 10-Year Transit Operating and Capital Plan for 2010
4. That staff be directed to hold a
public consultation session in collaboration with the ward Councillor and
report back to Transit Committee in the form of an IPD, which will outline the
measures being undertaken to address the publics’ concerns.
CARRIED, as amended
PLANNING
and growth management
URBANISME et Gestion de la croissance
2. Downtown Ottawa Transit Tunnel (DOTT) Planning and Environment
Assessment Study Update
ÉTUDE
DE PLANIFICATION ET D'ÉVALUATION ENVIRONNEMENTALE DU TUNNEL DE TRANSPORT EN
COMMUN AU CENTRE-VILLE D'OTTAWA (DOTT) (RAPPORT PROVISOIRE) - TRACÉ DU
COULOIR ET CHOIX DES STATIONS
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Nancy Schepers, Deputy City Manager introduced the
item and Vivi Chi, Manager, Transportation and Infrastructure Planning and
David Hopper, Delcan provided a detailed overview of the report. Pat Scrimgeour, Manager, Transit Services
Design spoke to the operational issues and, Rob Mackay, Manager, Strategic
Projects provided details on process and other issues as they related to the
report. A copy of their comprehensive
PowerPoint presentation is held on file.
The Chair
received three Motions two of which would seek to defer the report:
Moved by C. Leadman (on behalf of Councillor
Holmes)
That in consultation with the Ward Councillor,
staff investigate options with the goal to minimize bus traffic along Albert
Street as it passes through the Lebreton Flats.
Moved by C. Leadman
That the recommended alignment of the downtown tunnel be deferred
until costing is developed and approved by Council;
And that staff
develop and cost a second possible DOTT alignment with grade separation under
Albert Street, utilizing the existing Mackenzie-King Bridge transit
infrastructure, a grade separation (over/under pass) at the Laurier
intersection following the existing rapid transit network route and utilizing
the existing grade separated infrastructure adjacent to the University of
Ottawa.
Moved by G. Bédard
That ICS and
Transit Services staff be directed to jointly reconsider the report prior to
any form of approval by Committee and Council and develop, for the approval of
Committee and Council, a Downtown Transit Plan to address the following
matters:
·
The absolute need for the continued economic vitality and viability of
the Rideau commercial district
·
The importance of transit service – both access from all areas of the
City and the details of operations – to support this economic vitality and
viability
·
The need for convenient connections from the surface transit service to
the underground light rail line
·
The need for continued transit service to the stops on the Mackenzie
King Bridge to maintain a pedestrian flow through the Rideau Centre and nearby
businesses
·
The need for substantial reductions in the number of buses operating on
Rideau Street and on Albert and Slater Streets to improve the general
environment on those streets and for businesses along those streets
·
The need for continued reliable and convenient transit service to,
from, and through the Rideau commercial area and all of downtown
·
The possible need for transit priority measures or physical
modifications to streets to allow the recommended plan to be implemented
And that staff be
directed to develop and bring forward recommendations for the consideration of
Committee and Council in time that any required civil works can be included in
the Downtown Ottawa Transit Tunnel project.
WHEREAS
staff are still developing alternatives for surface transit operations during
and following construction of the DOTT;
THEREFORE
BE IT RESOLVED that in consultation with the Ward Councillor, staff investigate
options with the goal to minimize bus traffic along Albert Street as it passes
through the LeBreton Flats.
The Committee received the following
delegations:
David Jeanes,
Transport 2000 made note of the fact that compared to other cities in Canada, some of
the downtown stations are quite far apart.
There is also a long climb to the surface. He suggested there be one or two more stations in the downtown. He further noted that all of the proposed
stations in the core are a long way from City Hall. He believed that the Daly Avenue alignment vs. Rideau Street was
not sufficiently studied and felt it would better serve the Rideau Centre. And, if none of this works, more attention
should have been paid to the surface option because a four-vehicle train would
provide the necessary capacity.
In response to a
question of clarification by the Chair, staff confirmed that the length between
stations was to accommodate up to a maximum of a six-car train.
Charles
Akben-Marchand, Centretown Citizens' Community Association (CCCA) presented the
following concerns:
·
No transit on Scott and Albert streets; alternatives include: in-road track between Tunney’s and Bayview
stations; extending the O-Train to Gatineau; and, using the Ottawa River
Parkway; express buses must turn around at Tunney’s Pasture
·
Number of downtown stations; the walking time is
much higher than the current transitway
·
DOTT stations; the number of proposed stations limits the number
of trains that can serve the downtown and limits opportunities for multiple
lines when LRT is extended to suburbs; future LRT lines with lower passenger
demand will use shorter trains, but these will not be allowed in the downtown
due to need for capacity of six-car trains, esp. during rush hour
·
Bayview Station; Transfer “T” scored higher in analysis than “DTD”
(direct to downtown), but requires transfer downtown; DTD and T are
operationally different and therefore requires a look at how trains will run;
north/south passengers will have to transfer to six-car east/west trains at
Bayview during rush hour. There are two
ways to solve this: do not convert the
O-Train; or, have more and shorter stations downtown.
A copy of his written submission is held on file.
When asked to
comment on these concerns, specifically with respect to the walking distance
between stations and their depth, Mr. Hopper advised that they are attempting
to get them as shallow as possible, but he did not have further details at this
time. He added that there will be a
number of entrances to the stations throughout the downtown, so although the
stations are far apart, there are many accesses to them. They have to ensure an appropriate balance
of portals and stations.
Cindy VanBuskirk,
General Manager, Rideau Centre spoke to a prepared statement, the more
salient points being:
·
Transit
is an integral part of the community infrastructure and has the potential to be
both a positive and negative for the Rideau Centre; 47% of their customers come
by transit
·
The Rideau Centre complex was built to
revitalize the ByWard Market and Rideau Street by providing a pedestrian flow;
it also functions as a transit hub linking local transit service on Rideau
Street with regional transit service on the Mackenzie King Bridge; the
development agreement with the City of Ottawa required them to provide transit
access for 20 hours each day
·
To facilitate this transit customer
movement through the shopping centre, the design and merchandising followed a
north-south orientation between Level 1 and Level 3; however, the proposed
Rideau Street tunnel alignment will permanently remove all regional and express
transit traffic from the Mackenzie King Bridge, thereby eliminating that
transit customer movement; in turn, this will reduce overall customer traffic
and severely reduce sales volumes and productivity
·
If the
main objective of the transit tunnel project is to move people quickly and
efficiently to and through downtown Ottawa, this can be just as easily achieved
following a Mackenzie King Bridge alignment, without the devastating impact on
the Rideau Centre and it’s retailers
·
Requested
the Committee to send the report back to staff and the
project team, with direction to more comprehensively and conclusively address
these concerns in the context of an overall transportation and development plan
that will better support all interests.
A copy of her written submission and a previously distributed letter to the Deputy City Manager dated 21 April 2009 are held on file.
When asked to respond to the suggestion of access via the Mackenzie King
Bridge, Ms. Chi explained that staff did examine that option but the turn
at that location would result in having to move the Campus Station further
east. Mr. Hopper added that all the
buildings that make up the University of Ottawa are on pilings, so the tunnel
would have to be of a specific depth to avoid those. Also, the curve would be too sharp. He indicated that there are strong technical challenges to doing
this as well as where it would come up at the Rideau Centre. They recognized the economic issues raised
by the delegation and offered that the north side of the complex affords more
opportunities to connect to amenities.
Councillor Bédard inquired how seriously staff looked at this because he
felt it was not really investigated.
The consultant advised that detailed evaluation criteria were used for
all options. He offered that many
buildings had piles underneath and so while it could be built to the bridge
instead, it would be expensive.
Further, all alignments on Rideau Street had the least risk.
The councillor stated that none of the criteria had to do with
commercial or economic development and the impact on existing facilities. Mr. Hopper explained that there were
actually a number of criteria regarding sustainable communities and smart
growth, as well as several sub-criteria that addressed this. The councillor emphasized however, that none
of the criteria looked at the economic impact on the Rideau Centre. With regards to the issue of the criteria,
the councillor presumed the consultant looked at the possibility of the curve
and whether or not it was feasible. Mr.
Hopper responded by stating that the curve from the Mackenzie King Bridge to
Nicholas Street would be impossible with the tunnel-boring machine and a “cut
and cover” design would be the only way to do it.
In response to a question posed by the councillor, Ms. VanBuskirk
advised that there is already a transit station at the Mackenzie King Bridge
immediately inside and this platform is leased to the City until 2024. With this information, Councillor Bédard
asked why a serious look would therefore not be given to the Mackenzie Bridge
and Mr. Hopper explained that the passenger platform is only part of the
equation and there are other things that have to be balanced off.
Ms. VanBuskirk indicated that Viking-Rideau support LRT and the
TMP. She reminded Committee members
that their complex includes the Westin Hotel, the Congress Centre, parking,
shopping, et cetera and posited that it would be a colossal mistake not to
seriously consider the impact this report has on this complex. They are prepared to lose pedestrian traffic
with the introduction of LRT, but putting all the traffic on the north side of
the building does nothing to support the merchants on Levels 1 and 3. She emphasized the need to generate
cross-traffic to support the economic viability of the Rideau Centre, without
which they would probably close their doors to business shortly after retail
hours.
Councillor Legendre was quite surprised by the position of the Rideau
Centre and the fact they did not want a new LRT system at their front
door. Ms. VanBuskirk advised that many
of the retailers would be happy to have it, but others would not because of their
inability to draw traffic to their location.
The councillor believed that the ability to attract commerce would
remain. Ms. VanBuskirk agreed there
would always be people shopping, but suggested the sales levels would not be
the same. The councillor wondered
whether the original development agreement was still in effect and if legal
ramifications have to be given in camera. Tim Marc, Senior Legal Counsel advised that there was no legal
obligation to the City to maintain transit service at the Rideau Centre.
Councillor Leadman asked whether the delegation had had meetings with
City staff to discuss their concerns and Ms. VanBuskirk explained that staff
heard their concerns, but had not offered any options to address them. She has had discussions with staff about
putting investment in an underground tunnel station, but did not think those
discussions had progressed to the point where they could participate in the
ultimate tunnel program. The councillor
asked whether Ms. VanBuskirk believed the Rideau Centre was a major
employment centre and the delegation indicated she did, adding that it has 3300
employees. The councillor noted
therefore, that the Rideau Centre is a substantial employment hub, which the
Committee should keep in mind as opposed to looking at it from a perspective of
supporting business.
When asked by Councillor Bédard what the pedestrian traffic was like
through the Ridau Centre, Ms. VanBuskirk indicated they receive about 20
million people each year; therefore, if the transit hub were cut off, it would
have a devastating impact. She related
that during the recent transit strike, their daily traffic declined to 40% and
with about 30,000 fewer people, their sales declined and many millions of
dollars were lost in January. When
asked what the economic impact of that was on the City, she advised that
reduced sales would mean a reduction in property taxes to the City. There would probably be fewer retail
businesses at the Rideau Centre as well.
Further, their ability to attract world-class businesses would
decline. She felt the councillor’s
Motion was important because it would give them something to look at to fully
understand what the impact will be on this shopping complex.
Hume Rogers,
Downtown Coalition spoke with Pat Gillen, on behalf of the 35 building
owners and managers of the Coalition, which represents 81 office buildings and
hotels. They were pleased to see the
planning of the downtown tunnel moving forward because it will contribute
positively to the capacity, speed, efficiency and ridership of public
transit. The tunnel will remove all but
local buses from Albert and Slater, improving safety and environment in the
downtown. However, they requested that
these benefits not be destroyed by moving the STO buses to these streets.
They agreed with
the staff recommendations, including the number of stations, but believed the
consultant’s proposal places the most easterly station in the core too far
north, whereas there is a greater population to be served south of Queen and
Albert streets. Instead of
veering cross-country to the north at Kent Street, the Coalition suggests the
route continue east along the line of Albert Street and then cut north at
Metcalfe Street. This would place the
most easterly station along Albert instead of Queen and would increase the
number of people within a 300m catchment area of the station by approximately
14%. It would also provide better
service to City Hall, the Courthouse, and Place Bell. Mr. Rogers offered that future growth in the core will expand to
the south along Slater, Laurier and beyond, therefore, keeping as far to the
south at the most easterly stop is desirable for that future expansion.
While the
Coalition made this suggestion to the consultants, Mr. Rogers did not believe
they have taken an objective look at it because it would lead to a slightly
sharper curve than that being proposed in the report. He pointed out, however, that the curve from Rideau to Waller in
a southerly direction is much more severe.
Their proposed variation will not have an impact on the NAC or the Bell
Canada switching station. A copy of his
written submission is held on file.
Responding
to questions of Committee members, Mr. Gillen indicated that the bend at the
Rideau Centre is much sharper to the west than what they have proposed because
they suggest the curve start at Metcalfe Street. And, with the latest technology, he understood that their
proposed curve is acceptable.
Mr. Hopper indicated that they had
reviewed the curve in their proposal and the version he has more accurately
reflects what is needed to make the alignment work. Their version does not allow for a station on Rideau Street,
whereas the proposed option shows a station spanning across to the Canal. And, they have to get past the station
before starting the curve and that it why the curves are sharper. Councillor Legendre recognized that the
bends in both curves are the same, but it is the sharpness of the curves west
of the Canal that is the problem. The
consultant concurred with this assessment.
John Walker believed that
due to the financial situation in the world, the funding from the senior level
of government may be less than anticipated and suggested that the expectation
of them paying one third of the cost for this project may not be fulfilled. He proposed a less expensive “Plan B”.
Mr. Walker
recognized the advances in bus hybrid technology, including the use of ultra
capacitors that can be charged in a few minutes and can hold quite a bit more
power than batteries; this would mean travelling many kilometres on a short
quick charge, which is a lot cleaner than diesel. He made reference to the new technology available for clean,
efficient hybrid buses, which are preferred over light rail and which do not
constrain the system to wires or rails.
He further cautioned about changing to a different system, because when
the City starts to add light rail, the depth of the tunnel, plus the waiting
time for a train may add 20 minutes to a person’s overall trip time. Given the success of the existing transit
system, Mr. Walker did not believe there were any advantages to using light
rail, a system that will cost twice as much and has many limitations.
He suggested that rather than having deep tunnels, the
cut-and-cover method be employed, thereby placing them no more than three or
four metres underground; buses could easily enter the transit system via the
appropriate grade access into the tunnel.
Mr. Walker also suggested changing the Mackenzie King Bridge to a
two-level bridge. A copy of his written
submission is held on file.
Derek Reid,
Action Sandy Hill suggested variations for stop locations of the
stations, which he believed, warranted consideration. These included:
Westboro – would be
relatively inexpensive; the reduced costs of running trains instead of buses along
this corridor justifies implementing the extension to Westboro in Phase 1. Local residents will not tolerate transitway
buses using Scott Street and a suitable and unintrusive bus terminal can be
temporarily located directly north of Westboro Station. There would no longer be justification for
running buses all the way downtown or to Lebreton or Bayview.
Tunney’s Pasture
– extending
it to Westboro would eliminate the need for expanding the bus terminal at
Tunney’s Pasture; removing the transitway access ramp would free up space and
enable redevelopment of the land.
Bayview – shifting the
Bayview Station to the west would provide better access to Bayview Road and
would preserve a transfer option for a north/south LRT route.
Preston – shifting Lebreton
Flats Station to the west would improve access to Little Italy and would
maintain walkable access to the War Museum; having LRT access to Preston
Street, a main commercial street, makes sense.
Mr. Reid ran out of time before completing his
presentation on Bronson Park, Bank, Bank to Rideau, Centretown, Rideau and
Campus and Lees. Additional details are
contained in his written submission, a copy of which is held on file.
Peggy DuCharme,
Downtown Rideau BIA indicated she was also speaking on behalf of residents,
the ByWard Market BIA, Arts Court and Giant Tiger, who were unable to stay for
the duration of the meeting. Ms.
DuCharme advised that their Task Force had concluded that regional and local
transit should remain on separate corridors in their district, with regional
(future LRT) remaining on the existing “regional” transitway corridor
(Mackenzie King Bridge). She added that
this corridor was originally designed and built for this purpose, as was the
Rideau Centre and that removal as a transit hub would disrupt the pedestrian
traffic patterns in the immediate area and would have serious and negative
economic impact on several businesses located on the southern border of their
boundary. They do not support the
recommendation to locate all local, regional and interprovincial transit onto
Rideau Street as this would place far too great a burden on Rideau Street which
has already surpassed capacity and would jeopardize the street’s economic
potential and ability to remain accessible to all modes of traffic in the
future. A copy of her letter to staff
dated 21 April 2009 is held on file.
Responding to a
series of questions as a result of this presentation, Ms. Schepers advised that
staff recognize that the Rideau Centre and the operation of Rideau Street is an
important part of how the Rideau Centre operates and there is an opportunity
with the proposed alignment to reduce traffic on Rideau Street. With respect to connecting to the Rideau
Centre or to other locations, staff do not have any assurances from the private
sector that the City will have those rights of access, but one of the
recommendations before Committee is for staff to seek interest from the private
and public sectors with respect to where there may be opportunities. She added that there was never a guarantee
that transit service would continue on the bridge. When asked if there would be fewer buses on Rideau Street, staff
advised that there would be and they would explore more fully what that might
look like because it frees up infrastructure on the Mackenzie King Bridge as
well. She confirmed that Rideau Street
is an important urban space in the community and the opportunities to
invigorate it are here.
Ms. DuCharme
responded to questions posed by Councillor Bédard by advising that they have an
extensive knowledge of the community and work stringently on developing
relations and are concerned about having that jeopardized. In this regard, she supported Councillor
Bédard’s Motion that directs staff to look at those and other concerns.
Councillor
Legendre thought that a reduction in buses on Rideau Street would have been
welcomed by the BIA. Ms. DuCharme
explained that the issue she had was how the City plans to reach its transit
growth objectives with less buses to bring to transfer onto the regional
system? She believed there were other
areas of potential exploration on that alignment and suggested that the station
could open up near Arts Court, for example and still provide the portal on Rideau
Street (to the Rideau Centre’s existing transitway station platform), et
cetera.
Councillor Bédard
recognized that the delegation had concerns of where the entrances and exits
will be along that line and Ms. DuCharme confirmed this, adding that there is
more density south of their boundary and she was very confused as to the
portals opening up over at the Conference Centre because there is nothing
there. She noted that the same reasons
for rejecting the Wellington alignment apply to that same location at
Rideau/Sussex. She was also concerned
how transit would be rerouted if there were demonstrations that require detours
from Rideau/Wellington streets.
The councillor
stated that if one of the criteria is to stimulate smart growth and to go to
where the people are, having heard what the BIA has said, he asked why the
consultant insists that the access be at Rideau Street? Mr. Hopper explained that one of the factors
for selecting an entrance adjacent to the Train Station (Conference Centre) is
that is the ‘historical capital arrival’ and it faces the whole of the
area. They also had to consider how
many people visit these areas and the fact that that station has many other
potential connections to a very large area that stations further south do not
have.
After hearing the
complaints from the delegation, Councillor Bédard inquired whether staff should
be pursuing the questions addressed in his Motion. Ms. Schepers indicated that the issues raised in the Motion need
to be addressed and agreed those could be seen as direction to staff for consideration
and reporting back during the next phase of the functional design. On that basis, the councillor indicated he
would, in consultation with staff, rephrase his Motion.
John Courtneidge suggested
amending Recommendation 2 to insert the words “occupiers and users” after the
words “property owners”. He believed
that the surface rail system is much better for businesses and the
community. He was quite concerned about
the cost of the project. He provided a
copy of his hand-written notes, a copy of which is held on file.
The Chair
explained that the debate about whether or not to move forward on this project
are not before the Committee today as the technology has already been
decided. He explained that the transit
system is at capacity and the City is building for growth.
Councillor
Legendre asked staff to comment on the amendment proposed by the
delegation. Ms. Schepers advised that
the idea is to unilaterally seek partnerships.
Staff would be very specific to go to land owners and she suggested that
if the Committee wanted to open it up, staff would do so, in order to solicit
additional proposals and ideas.
Responding to a
question posed by Councillor Doucet, Mr. Hopper advised that there are a number
of benefits to being grade separated through the downtown, including an
improved reliability factor, which is more important than speed. Currently, at the suburban stations, more
people transfer on and off and if they are doing that, then it is already convenient
for them. And, while there may be a
minute or two difference with a train, there will be a speed benefit because of
the elimination of congestion in the downtown.
The train will also allow boarding at every door and hence, will be
faster. The consultant acknowledged
that it would take time to get in and out of the stations compared to a bus,
but it will be a much better environment for passengers waiting for a transfer
to happen.
Councillor Doucet
asked whether any studies had been conducted about how someone would get from
point A to point B and would they be better off than they are today? Ms. Schepers stated that they had
looked at the potential time savings for passengers and the issue centres on
existing capacity and constraints in the downtown. She indicated there are 180 buses an hour travelling through the
downtown and the only way to grow ridership is to get as many people on them as
possible. She confirmed this system
would be faster for users and would save time.
She agreed to follow-up with the councillor and provide him with the
work that was done as part of the TMP, before this report rises to Council on
27 May.
David Gladstone,
Friends of the O-Train did not see any value in what is being proposed in
the report and believed this project will cause incredible disruption in the
existing transit system. He offered
that Ottawa has a strong transit-oriented downtown and the office buildings are
not built to connect to the underground tunnel, but to surface transit. He did not believe that what is being
proposed is compatible with the Official Plan.
In considering the report, Councillor Leadman noted
the increased cost of the project and Mr. Hopper indicated that the figures
developed in the TMP include a substantial contingency (because of this study)
and while staff are now more certain, they do not know if it will cost much
more. The councillor noted the route
may affect Public Works Canada and she wondered if staff anticipate any
concerns being brought forward from this agency. Ms. Schepers indicated that Public Works have been a part of the
consultation and are aware of where the route is going.
Councillor
Leadman had a series of questions regarding the existing infrastructure. She noted that what is being recommended is
not a traditional transit system and Council does not have the information with
respect to what the impacts will be.
She found it difficult to make a valid assessment without that
information, as well as only going ahead with one alignment.
While she
supported the staff report, Councillor Wilkinson was concerned about buses
coming from the west. She noted that
some people will be changing to a bus to go to Gatineau or to the O-Train and
suggested the transfer point should more appropriately be at Lebreton Flats. Mr. Scrimgeour explained that staff would
be looking at rider travel patterns once a decision is made on station
locations and alignment. The councillor
interjected however, that if they are going to do that based on something that
is conceptual, then she preferred staff bringing forward a report on a Lebreton
option. The Manager explained they
would look at all options to determine what is best for all transit customers.
Councillor Doucet
inquired what the affects of the tunnel would be on intensification and growth
management in the downtown and was advised by the Deputy City Manager that the
TMP is a fundamental element of the Official Plan and in order to achieve the
overall plan, all systems (transit, land uses, et cetera) are connected to the
achievement of the TMP. This project is
supportive of Council being able to achieve TMP intensification targets
throughout. She agreed there would be a
significant impact overall on how people use the system and also where they
choose to live, work, et cetera. The
councillor wondered what the local impact would be if it has little or no
impact on those targets. Ms. Schepers
advised that Recommendation 2 directs staff to solicit ideas and the TMP has
targets specifically around the transit nodes and that will be a target as they
move forward. The uplift in terms of
being able to extract that value and potentially use it is something staff will
be soliciting over the next phase. Mr.
Mackay added that the Investment Strategy work currently underway with the
City’s consultant KPMG, is looking at the whole matter of uplifting and staff
will report back to the Committee in June on that, the intent being to
determine interest, then entering into a memorandum of understanding before
this project actually gets funded.
In response to a
further question posed by the councillor, Mr. Mackay advised that from
benchmarking in other cities, and while it takes time, Council will see
positive impact happening around the stations with regards to new commercial
services and intensification. He
confirmed that staff have been in discussions with some of the business
community, who are quite interested in this project.
Councillor
Leadman inquired what challenges there might be that could change the
recommended transfer point being Tunney’s Pasture? Mr. Hopper indicated that they have done a fair amount of work at
that location and feel it can handle the volumes anticipated. The councillor thought that if there was an
option of doing it at Lebreton, why would that not be done right from the
start? Mr. Scrimgeour indicated that it
is a facility that is needed for the period of time when light rail is built to
Tunney’s Pasture and light rail is built further west.
In speaking to
her Motion, Councillor Leadman stated that while people appear to have bought
into an alignment, she maintained there were a lot of unanswered questions and
she was not comfortable about making this decision, without first addressing
those.
Councillor Bédard suggested Councillor Leadman’s
Motion be divided for voting purposes.
He recognized that the costs for this project are huge and agreed that
the second action portion of the Motion makes sense because he felt the
Mackenzie King Bridge alignment is a good option.
Councillor Wilkinson asked what would be involved in
getting that costing and was advised by Mr. Hopper that they would have to do a
functional plan on that alignment, which would increase the scope of the work,
et cetera. Ms. Chi indicated that it
would add several months to this process and confirmed this alignment had been
examined and the consultant had discussed some of the challenges during his
presentation.
Chair Cullen understood that additional costing could
not be obtained without an alignment, but to support a request for another
option would further delay the project and increase costs. He stated that the purpose of this is to
deliver residents to their destination as quickly and reliably as
possible. What is proposed will alter
the downtown and removing transitway buses from the core will make it better
for pedestrians and cyclists.
Councillor Leadman explained that the initial
alignment was designed by staff and therefore, if that work has already been
done, she did not think the delay would be substantial. Speaking to the report in general, she
recognized the importance of the Rideau Centre because it is a significant
employment centre and the reduced transit elements will create a significant,
negative impact on them. She reminded
Committee to consider the report with regards to how it will be serving the
whole city.
As requested by Councillor Bédard, the Committee then
voted on the Motion as follows, with recorded votes for the two action
portions:
Moved by C. Leadman:
WHEREAS the proposed alignment for the Light Rail
project, as part of the Transportation Management Plan (TMP) significantly
varies from the original alignment;
AND WHEREAS the downtown tunnel is the lynchpin of
the TMP and must be financially viable and the proposed route alignment could
significantly increase the cost for the capital project;
AND WHEREAS the cost is not currently known by staff
for the proposed Downtown Ottawa Transit Tunnel (DOTT) Corridor and Station
Alignment but will be available in an estimated two months;
AND WHEREAS the proposed alignment has and will
raise particular concern from several prominent stakeholders;
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the recommended
alignment of the downtown tunnel be deferred until costing is developed and
approved by Council;
LOST
YEAS (2): C. Leadman, C. Doucet
NAYS
(6): R. Bloess, G. Bédard, J.
Legendre, D. Thompson, M. Wilkinson, A. Cullen
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT staff develop and
cost a second possible DOTT alignment with grade separation under Albert
Street, utilizing the existing Mackenzie King Bridge transit infrastructure, a
grade separation (over/underpass) at the Laurier intersection following the
existing rapid transit network route and utilizing the existing grade separated
infrastructure adjacent to the University of Ottawa.
LOST
YEAS (3): G. Bédard, C. Leadman, C. Doucet
NAYS (5): R. Bloess, J. Legendre, D. Thompson, M.
Wilkinson, A. Cullen
On behalf of Councillor Holmes, Councillor Leadman
proposed that in consultation with the Ward Councillor, staff investigate
options with the goal to minimize bus traffic along Albert Street as it passes
through the Lebreton Flats.
Councillor Legendre felt it would be better to assign
a number (percentage) to the Motion and suggested it be amended to
include: “a reduction of bus traffic by
no more than 30%”. The Chair explained
that the purpose of the Motion is to consult with the ward councillor and that
no target was required. Councillor
Leadman did not accept it as a friendly amendment and the Committee took a
separate vote on Councillor Legendre’s amendment.
Moved by J. Legendre
WHEREAS
staff are still developing alternatives for surface transit operations during
and following construction of the DOTT;
THEREFORE BE IT
RESOLVED that in consultation with the Ward Councillor, staff investigate
options with the goal to reduce bus traffic by no more than 30%
along Albert Street as it passes through the Lebreton Flats and report back to
Transit Committee.
LOST
YEAS (2): J. Legendre, D.
Thompson
NAYS (6): R. Bloess, G.
Bédard, C. Leadman, C. Doucet, M. Wilkinson, A. Cullen
Councillor Wilkinson
suggested and Councillor Leadman accepted as a friendly amendment, the addition
of the phrase: “and report back to the
Transit Committee”.
Moved by C. Leadman
WHEREAS
staff are still developing alternatives for surface transit operations during
and following construction of the DOTT;
THEREFORE BE IT
RESOLVED that in consultation with the Ward Councillor, staff investigate
options with the goal to minimize bus traffic along Albert Street as it passes
through the Lebreton Flats and report back to the Transit Committee.
CARRIED,
as amended
Prior to considering
Councillor Bédard’s Motion, the councillor distributed a revised text, which
removed some wording, including the initial intent to defer. He encouraged Committee members to support
his Motion.
While he would support the
bulk of the text, Councillor Legendre requested a separate vote on the fourth
bullet because he could not support the language used and did not believe that
was the purpose of the transit system.
Councillor Wilkinson
was concerned about how the fourth and fifth bullets fit into each other and
suggested there was a need for some follow-through until the transitway is
completed. She wanted staff to look at
those two together so Council can be advised what the impact will be on
passengers coming through there. She
maintained that transit is an important element for improving economic
development.
Councillor Doucet
stated that transit should be on the surface because it animates the
street. He maintained that to put it
underground will make it further for people to have to go to get to their
transfer.
The Committee then voted on the Motion, with a
recorded vote on bullet 4:
Moved by G.
Bédard
WHEREAS the
Rideau Centre, the Government of Canada Conference Centre, ByWard Market
access, Rideau Street Merchants, Ottawa Convention Centre, nearby hotels and
offices and many other businesses comprise a Rideau commercial district;
AND WHEREAS the
planning and construction of the underground light rail line will make it
necessary to re-examine surface transit operations in downtown Ottawa;
AND WHEREAS the
detailed design of the stations on the underground light rail line requires
certainty as to the service design for surface transit operations in their
vicinities;
AND WHEREAS the
Rideau Centre complex has benefited from a significant level of cross commuter
traffic between Rideau Street and the Mackenzie King Bridge;
AND WHEREAS the
owners of the Rideau Centre complex are concerned that the proposed alignment
will negatively impact the financial viability of their tenants;
AND WHEREAS the
Downtown Rideau Business Improvement Area has requested that the level of local
and interprovincial transit service operating on Rideau Street be reduced;
AND WHEREAS there
has been significant investment in public transit infrastructure in the
downtown core, particularly in the Rideau commercial district;
AND WHEREAS
revised surface transit operations may require the reconfiguration of streets
and other physical facilities and may influence the design of the Downtown
Ottawa Transit Tunnel project;
THEREFORE BE IT
RESOLVED THAT Transit Services staff be directed to develop for the approval of
Committee and Council a conceptual transit plan for surface operations;
AND BE IT FURTHER
RESOLVED THAT the following principles be incorporated into the terms of
reference of the plan:
·
The recognition of the continued importance of
preserving the economic vitality and viability of the Rideau commercial
district
·
The importance of transit service – both access from
all areas of the City and the details of operations – to support this economic
vitality and viability
·
The need for convenient connections from the surface
transit service to the underground light rail line
·
The need for continued transit service on Mackenzie
King Bridge to maintain a pedestrian flow through the Rideau Centre and nearby
businesses and to maximize existing infrastructure investment
CARRIED
YEAS (6): R. Bloess, G. Bédard, C. Leadman, C.
Doucet, M. Wilkinson, A. Cullen
NAYS
(2): J. Legendre, D. Thompson
·
The need for substantial reductions in the number of
buses operating on Rideau Street and on Albert and Slater Streets to improve
the general environment on those streets and for businesses along those streets
·
The possible need for transit priority measures or
physical modifications to streets to allow the recommended plan to be
implemented
AND BE IT FURTHER
RESOLVED THAT the conceptual transit plan be placed before Transit Committee
with the tabling of the Downtown Ottawa Transit Tunnel functional design in
August 2009.
CARRIED
Moved by J. Legendre:
That in
consultation with the Ward Councillor, staff investigate
options with the goal to minimize bus traffic along Albert Street as it passes
through the LeBreton Flatsprovide a report to Council which explains how
the Transit system will be kept operational during construction of the DOTT by the Fall of
2009.
In considering her
Motion with regards to having the terminal for buses at Lebreton, Councillor
Wilkinson felt that Council needed to know whether the impact on the buses is
the same and suggested her Motion could serve as an addendum to Councillor
Bédard’s Motion so staff could respond at the same time.
Ms. Schepers
acknowledged the challenges posed by using Lebreton because the land is
federally owned. She suggested if it
were something staff were directed to examine, they would also have to look at
minimizing the number of transfers and overall cost too. With that in mind, she offered that going to
Tunney’s Pasture is more attractive and is what people will want to do. And, if the transfer facility was moved
further east, it would change the operation of the train system and this will
require further analysis and a report back with recommendations.
The Chair asked
whether the issues raised in the Motion are going to come back to the Committee
in any case and Ms. Schepers advised they would. The Chair explained that he could not support the Motion because
Council has already chosen an alignment and Tunney’s Pasture is the interim
western transfer point until Council decides how to proceed further with the
western corridor. He did not want to
cause confusion for the public by bringing in Lebreton as a transfer point.
Councillor
Wilkinson agreed to withdraw her Motion in favour of working with staff with
the intention of bringing something forward at Council.
That Transit Committee recommend Council:
1. Approve the recommended corridor alignment and station options
for the Downtown Ottawa Transit Tunnel (DOTT) Planning and Environmental
Assessment Study.
2.
Direct staff to release a
Request for Information (RFI) to property owners within and adjacent to the
recommended corridor alignment to solicit ideas on station access, development,
design, and other matters with the aim of improving ridership, ridership
experience and lowering City costs.
3. That in
consultation with the Ward Councillor, staff investigate options with the goal
to minimize bus traffic along Albert Street as it passes through the Lebreton
Flats and report back to Transit Committee.
4. That Transit Services staff be
directed to develop for the approval of Committee and Council a conceptual
transit plan for surface operations;
And that the following principles
be incorporated into the terms of reference of the plan:
·
The recognition of the continued importance of
preserving the economic vitality and viability of the Rideau commercial
district
·
The importance of transit service – both access from
all areas of the City and the details of operations – to support this economic
vitality and viability
·
The need for convenient connections from the surface
transit service to the underground light rail line
·
The need for continued transit service on Mackenzie
King Bridge to maintain a pedestrian flow through the Rideau Centre and nearby
businesses and to maximize existing infrastructure investment
·
The need for substantial reductions in the number of
buses operating on Rideau Street and on Albert and Slater Streets to improve
the general environment on those streets and for businesses along those streets
·
The possible need for transit priority measures or
physical modifications to streets to allow the recommended plan to be
implemented
And
that the conceptual transit plan be placed before Transit Committee with the
tabling of the Downtown Ottawa Transit Tunnel functional design in August 2009.
5. That in consultation
with the Ward Councillor, staff investigate
options with the goal to minimize bus traffic along Albert Street as it passes
through the LeBreton Flatsprovide a report to Council which explains how
the Transit system will be kept operational during construction of the DOTT by the Fall of
2009.
CARRIED, as amended, with Councillor Bédard dissenting
MOTIONS OF WHICH
NOTICE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY GIVEN
MOTIONS
AYANT FAIT L’OBJET D’UN AVIS PRÉCÉDENT
COUNCILLOR
/ CONSEILLER S. DESROCHES
3. PROVIDING GREATER OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY TO TRANSIT ROUTES
Offrir une plus grande souplesse opérationnelle aux
circuits du transport en commun
ACS2009-CCS-TTC-0005 CITY
WIDE / À L'ÉCHELLE DE LA VILLE
At the request of Councillor Desroches, this item was withdrawn.
That the Transit Committee recommend Council approve that staff bring forward options and potential amendments to the policy which sets the base transit route networks, in order to provide greater operational flexibility to serve the City’s varying geography and densities, so that service changes resulting from any approved policy changes could be implemented in 2009.
INQUIRIES
Councillor Wilkinson submitted the following
inquiries:
1. She
asked that an answer be provided as soon as possible to C. Levac of Orléans
regarding an e-mail he sent to ocserve@octranspo.com on 21
April 2009 regarding the following two concerns with OC Transpo service:
“I was travelling home to Orleans yesterday afternoon
on a 94 Millenium (Bus #6052). At approximately 2:16 PM, the bus stopped at the
Starbucks coffee shop on Innes Road (near Du Grand Bois Ave). I and other
passengers (probably about 5-6 left on the bus with me at the time) were
surprised that the driver had left the bus unattended and idling on a busy
roadway such as Innes Road. After approximately 6 mins (I only started timing
the driver after a minute or so after he left the bus) later, he returned to
the bus with a coffee. I have a few
issues with this:
a. Possibly the driver was ahead of
schedule, but I don't believe it is acceptable to leave passengers waiting on
the bus, almost at the end of his bus run, so that he can go buy himself a
coffee;
b. The bus was left idling for more than 3
mins (not sure if OC Transpo buses are exempt from the city By-law - more on
this later);
c. The bus was idling and the doors were
open, therefore someone could have stolen the bus;
If OC Transpo buses are exempt, you can ignore this
concern, but after I was dropped off at the corner of Innes Rd and Provence,
school at finished at Béatrice-Desloges High School. There was an OC Transpo
bus (Bus #9308, route 602) parked near Maple Ridge on Provence, which was also
idling. I took my sweet time (about 5 mins) walking down Provence to Valin St.
to see if the bus would leave anytime soon, but it didn't. I presume the bus
had been there a while already (the driver was reading a book) but I am not
sure how long it stayed there in total.
I would like to request a clear explanation
of whether what the bus driver did in my first concern is acceptable. If it is
not acceptable, I would like to know what recourse would be taken. I would also
like to know whether OC Transpo buses are exempt from the Idling Control By-law
(BY-LAW NO. 2007 - 266, GENERAL PROVISIONS, 3, i which mentions City's Vehicle
and Equipment Idling Policy dated June, 2002, Number FS01 and unable to locate
on the City of Ottawa website).”
2. Can staff update me on
timing for automatic stop calling on all buses?
3. A lot of concern was
expressed at the way in which emergency changes to bus routes were handled
during the Tamil demonstrations. Below
are some suggestions received from a resident for consideration. The councillor asked that staff let her know
the status of the emergency plan and any changes that will be made to deal with
situations such as this one.
·
A communication plan, perhaps using a special
alert code to drivers so they are quickly informed of the situation.
·
Dispatch supervisors to major transit stations
and downtown stops to keep riders informed and provide alternative route
information.
·
Have pre-determined emergency alternate routes
from Hurdman, Lebreton and Tunney’s Pasture which would be used to circumvent
the problem area. These alternate
routes should have designated transfer points for pick up and drop off.
·
Do not continue to funnel buses into the
problem area once an issue is known. At
the first sign / notification of a problem this emergency plan should be
invoked.
4. Can staff please respond to the following question from a taxpayer:
Why were all bus drivers brought back after the
transit strike ended when there were not and are not enough buses to go around?
On behalf of Councillor Qadri, Chair Cullen noted that
the emergency phone number currently listed on OC Transpo staff vehicles is
613-741-2478. If the emergency number
is 911 for the city of Ottawa, are we causing confusion for the public between
the two emergency numbers? Can we look
at harmonizing 911 as the only emergency number and suggest another wording for
reaching the emergency at OC Transpo?
Councillor Bloess inquired how long the double decker
buses will keep two employees on board and what is the operating cost?
ADJOURNMENT
LEVÉE DE LA SÉANCE
The meeting adjourned at 8:25 p.m.
Committee
Coordinator Chair